Ahmed Deedat. Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen. On the subject of crucifixion, the Muslim is told in no uncertain terms, in the Holy Qur’an, the last and final. Through Gospel accounts of the crucifixion, Shaikh Ahmad Deedat exposes the fallacy of the crucifixion. Shabir Ally gives his conjectures and speculations as to why he believes Jesus did not die on the cross.

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In addition to these people already mentioned, the Gospels also reference Jewish leaders Mt.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. In this passage, Paul states:. An angel of god came to strengthen him: Ahmed Deedat was highly regarded for his Christian-Muslim dialogue and public debates. We read that he was a wise man who performed surprising feats. Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ: View all posts by jayman Undoubtedly, there has never been any claim for the resurrection of Prophet John in this world after his death.

For centuries the three Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have responded differently to the person of Jesus Christ as. Pilate finds Jesus orr guilty! For instance, Reedat notes that Christians “bound themselves by a solemn oath” not to violate various moral standards, which find their source in the ethical teachings of Jesus. Though Lucian doesn’t say so explicitly, the Christian denial of other gods combined with their worship of Jesus implies the belief that Jesus was more than human.

Indeed the prevalent orthodox Islamic view, that Jesus as was not placed upon the Cross but rather lifted to the heavens while a substitute took his place, is but one in a range of views of what took place. Skip to main content.

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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses Albert Einsteinin his “Gods Letter”. His book is generally considered a reliable source and the nearest to the time of Jesus. I must confess that I do not find these convincing. And by the way. Links will be added to this page as new posts are added to this blog. This website uses cookies to improve your experience. In my own correspondence with Shabir Ally, he explained to me his viewpoint in the following words:.

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Habermas, The Historical Jesus The Roman soldiers check the body.

Both these scholars do not accept the claims of the Ahmadiyyat Muslim community and Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad asyet they both openly support the viewpoint that Jesus as survived the Crucifixion, going against the prevalent orthodox Islamic belief.

They usually refer to two references in the Cruccifiction to prove the death of Jesus.

In these accounts, Jesus was crucified, died on the cross and buried outside of Jerusalem during the thirty third year of his life. It could also be a means of severe torturing. In fact, one Muslim claims that:. Despite Shabir explaining that he did believe in the physical return of Jesus as and rejecting the claims of the Ahmadis, that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as fulfilled the prophecies of the second coming of the Messiah, he openly admitted:. You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

I will accept O Ruhullah! Jesus came out to them from a corner of the house whilst he was drying his head from water.

Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction

The account of the gospel of Peter suggests that Jesus was not killed. On top of that, if one adds to the idea that Peter had the creed for a while before delivering it to Paul, one has to acknowledge that it goes back practically to the events themselves.

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Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. Email required Address never made public. To this day the Israelites still await their true Messiah. He will take care of the fact that they also wear crosses hanging around their necks. Douglas Geivett and Gary R. Of course, there are many ancient Christian sources of information about Jesus as well. All Biblical quotations unless otherwise noted are from the King James Version. Edited by iec – 06 April at 2: This lifting of darkness and confusion around the position of Jesus as is summarised by the Promised Messiah as stating in his book Jesus in India: The fourth caliph of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad ruhighlights how ridiculous a notion this is when taken fully literally: Concerning the medical evidence, the Gospels report specific conditions that a crucified victim would have experienced.

I hope you see how this small selection of ancient non-Christian sources helps corroborate our knowledge of Jesus from the gospels.

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Given this time frame, it is naturally supposed that earlier references to Jesus are more likely to be historically reliable than later ones.

One of the historical gospels which is available today, though in fragments, is the gospel according with Peter. This is curcifixion vision of the Muslim orthodoxy of the mission of Jesus Christ as if ever he returns to earth.

This would have the appearance of a clear fluid like water. If Jesus had not really died, He could have set the disciples strait as any good prophet would do, right? In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A. Which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive!